Bigfoot
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Gabbard claims treasonous conspiracy
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livingston
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Tulsi Gabbard's Message You Need To Hear
Bigfoot
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I'm starting to get impatient. I'm starting to feel like I'm being played by a uniparty.
Everything is something, until it's not.
I'm just saying...
Everything is something, until it's not.
I'm just saying...
Bigfoot
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The inevitable nothing burger is so predictable at this point.
My surprised face has turned into a ham sub.
My surprised face has turned into a ham sub.
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This made me hungry for a Jersey Mikes sub.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Jersey Mikes???? C'mon, you live in NYC, get down to Little Italy and get a real sub at Aleva's on Grand St
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
My friendI'm starting to get impatient. I'm starting to feel like I'm being played by a uniparty.
Everything is something, until it's not.
I'm just saying...
Watch the previous post. Things have to go slowly. If mistakes are made .. these people will walk. .... Many of the most powerful people in this country tried to take trump out... If a case is made against them it has to be air tight. How this will work one goes after lower ranking people in washington. . They turn states evidence against the higher -ups.. One reason is lawyers cost a lot of money. .. Now these folks have more money than you and I for certain... But it would take a lot of money just showing up in court.
Right now more things are being discovered every week. Be patient ....
Bigfoot
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I will take that all into consideration. Going by your post history, I trust that you know what you're talking about.
I happened upon this covid and coffee blog. It's quite long but recommend reading the last section that starts with "On to RussiaGate." It makes the case for how Trump is slow rolling this out to the public. Testing reaction.
Think about it this way....Once upon a time in America, half the country decided to declare the way the other half of the country lived illegal. Then what happened? While that may be a bit over-simplified, declaring a large portion of the previous administration (including POTUS) criminals isn't far off as to the potential outcome once it's really acted upon. This can't play out like some common street crime with a simple perp walk, show trial and sentencing.
www.coffeeandcovid.com
Here's an excerpt from the blog.
"Now let’s look at what this latest disclosure tranche means.
First, the Trump Team is serious. We are now in the second week of a steady drip of increasingly detailed disclosure. The Fox “burn bags” article, which I’ll discuss more in a moment, shows coordination with the media. This is not an example of the Trump Administration finding a single inelegant email and running off half-cocked.
Durham’s 306-page annex was not redacted in one day. It must have taken weeks of wrangling with a half dozen agencies to agree on final redactions. So this is a slow burn. It is a controlled release. As we’ve previously suspected, this is yet more evidence that they are creating a public permission structure for arrests.
For a cogent example of similar thinking: Pundit Scott Adams recently opined that, to him, what was once unthinkable has now become necessary."
Another excerpt. (@spat - this one is pertinent to our previous conversation)
"First, consider what it means that someone secured those bags and prevented their destruction. Only a very small number of people knew the documents existed— perhaps fewer than a dozen. Of those, even fewer could have known about the destruction plan.
In other words —better sit down for this— sometime after Durham issued his report, the conspirators decided to destroy the evidence, but one of the key players thwarted the plan and hid the bags for some reason. Maybe for self-preservation, maybe for blackmail, or maybe for another reason. I’ll get to it.
Second, Kash obviously knew where to find them. It defies logic that he could have conducted a top-to-bottom sweep of the vast Hoover building and randomly found some stray burn bags in a dusty SCIF on the 11th floor. No. Somebody must have told him where they were.
The most probable conclusion from these facts is that one of the key conspirators is cooperating. Which means they have everything.
If I can see this, it means the conspirators can surely see it, too. Which means they can’t talk to each other anymore; it’s not safe. They don’t know who’s talking, and they know the DOJ has enough evidence to get FISA warrants to monitor their comms. So the conspiracy has collapsed; the center could not hold.
It’s every man for himself now."
They're lawyering up, deleting social media comments, etc. Strzok purged his X posts....yeah the roaches are scurrying.
Really good reading here.
Think about it this way....Once upon a time in America, half the country decided to declare the way the other half of the country lived illegal. Then what happened? While that may be a bit over-simplified, declaring a large portion of the previous administration (including POTUS) criminals isn't far off as to the potential outcome once it's really acted upon. This can't play out like some common street crime with a simple perp walk, show trial and sentencing.
☕️ THINKABLE ☙ Friday, August 1, 2025 ☙ C&C NEWS
Trump launches unprecedented global trade war; media nitpicks tariffs while NYT frets over fit conservative women; shocking new RussiaGate leaks hint at what’s coming next; more.
www.coffeeandcovid.com
Here's an excerpt from the blog.
"Now let’s look at what this latest disclosure tranche means.
First, the Trump Team is serious. We are now in the second week of a steady drip of increasingly detailed disclosure. The Fox “burn bags” article, which I’ll discuss more in a moment, shows coordination with the media. This is not an example of the Trump Administration finding a single inelegant email and running off half-cocked.
Durham’s 306-page annex was not redacted in one day. It must have taken weeks of wrangling with a half dozen agencies to agree on final redactions. So this is a slow burn. It is a controlled release. As we’ve previously suspected, this is yet more evidence that they are creating a public permission structure for arrests.
For a cogent example of similar thinking: Pundit Scott Adams recently opined that, to him, what was once unthinkable has now become necessary."
Another excerpt. (@spat - this one is pertinent to our previous conversation)
"First, consider what it means that someone secured those bags and prevented their destruction. Only a very small number of people knew the documents existed— perhaps fewer than a dozen. Of those, even fewer could have known about the destruction plan.
In other words —better sit down for this— sometime after Durham issued his report, the conspirators decided to destroy the evidence, but one of the key players thwarted the plan and hid the bags for some reason. Maybe for self-preservation, maybe for blackmail, or maybe for another reason. I’ll get to it.
Second, Kash obviously knew where to find them. It defies logic that he could have conducted a top-to-bottom sweep of the vast Hoover building and randomly found some stray burn bags in a dusty SCIF on the 11th floor. No. Somebody must have told him where they were.
The most probable conclusion from these facts is that one of the key conspirators is cooperating. Which means they have everything.
If I can see this, it means the conspirators can surely see it, too. Which means they can’t talk to each other anymore; it’s not safe. They don’t know who’s talking, and they know the DOJ has enough evidence to get FISA warrants to monitor their comms. So the conspiracy has collapsed; the center could not hold.
It’s every man for himself now."
They're lawyering up, deleting social media comments, etc. Strzok purged his X posts....yeah the roaches are scurrying.
Really good reading here.
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that will cost you $20
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Then they aren't good people.
I prefer Leoni's in Brooklyn but sometimes you just want a Jersey Mikes.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Then almost nobody is.
Trump and those who support him spent the last 4 years declaring they had evidence.
Now they are saying "we've discovered evidence".
so did they actually have something before?
And if they are releasing information on this "evidence" in the media and not in a court of law then it's all a show.
We're almost eight months into Trump's second term. I have yet to see any significant player arrested. Just the endless "look over here! Look how much we're winning!" while things go on pretty much as they were before.
I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of the bullshit. And I'm tired of my rights STILL being infringed, with no actual end in sight.
I want to see arrests, or I have no reason to vote next year.
Shadow rider
6.5 Creedmoor
I get it, and I don't completely disagree. We all want to see some real justice come from this. But it will take time.
I don't expect a project to be done overnight but I want to see signs of forward progress, that's what I look for.
I don't think most ever really said they *had* evidence (maybe a few outliers), but that there *was* evidence. Now that Trump is back in charge they are showing the evidence they are finding.
And yeah, some of that does happen in the public media sphere. The Kohberger trial, P Diddy, Ghislaine Maxwell and tons of others - a bunch of stuff was made public before the official trial ever began.
It's a little tough to gather evidence from sources that have the power to deny you access, right? That's like you having the power to slam the door in the face of the officer serving a search warrant with no repercussions. Ain't gonna happen. It's not like Trump could personally storm the J. Edgar Hoover Bldg himself over these past 4 years.
And the first time around he was surrounded by the wrong people. He has done far better with his picks this time. He has a loyal DNI that can sift through all those IC silos. It could actually be that it works out better in the long run that he lost 2020. I will say that Bondi is the wildcard, and the one that troubles me most.
As long as you are in NYS your rights will be infringed. The outcome of this likely won't change that.
The Watergate tapes were sat on for a year before they were released. Everything else trickled out over that year. A real impeachment with real consequences could look more like what we are seeing now than the showboat shit the dems pull at the drop of a hat with no real evidence. And none of that ever stuck, did it?
They are making the case for the public to get why they are pursuing it. Unfortunatley all the negative voices just tend to get lumped together. Sometimes it doesn't matter what they're saying when it all just sounds like bitching.
Sounding like an impetulant child threatening to hold their breath until the next Christmas comes around only sounds like more bitching mixed in the din.
If you truly think things are going no differently than they would had Kamala won, maybe it's best you don't vote.
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The term is actually "petulant", but I understand your intent.
Being upset that they appear to be sitting on their thumbs having a private circle-jerk instead of actually doing what they promised is very petulant. it is unreasonable to think SOMEONE could have been arrested in EIGHT FUCKING MONTHS. But hey...what can I expect. We are all just ignorant savages who know nothing and have to suck the teat of our betters for scraps all the time, right?
We just have to wait for them to gather every shred of evidence before doing anything. Who cares if there is already enough to put someone away for years. gotta make sure every last drop is collected before moving.
I guess they'll come out for the mid-terms and beg for more time to collect everything. They're REAL CLOSE now. They'll get someone SOON.
Then after Trump's term is up, they'll beg that we vote for their next guy so HE can do the job they promised. That'll teach 'em!
Where did I say that?
Sure...stopping the Dems from further fucking the Country is nice. But it's useless if they don't slam the fucking door on them!
Just remember. The ONLY reason Trump won as significantly as he did was because the Dems managed to piss of their own voter base enough for them to vote red. Without the fence sitters we'd be listening to Cackling Kumquat try to prove how awesome she was.
And if those fence sitters feel like they've been had...guess what's next? A fucking BLOODBATH at the midterms and almost NO chance of any of the usual slimy GoP'ers getting in next term. I don't see any republicans having the charisma to grab the Country by the balls like Trump did.
All they need to do is arrest someone who isn't just a low-level lacky. There's plenty to choose from (personally I would nominate der eyebrows fuhrer and her walrus handmaiden...but I'm biased).
I've been lied to by both parties since I learned what politics are. It's put up or shut up time.
Additional responses above.
Again, I get it. I go back and forth as well. I think my comments show that. But then I try to be a bit more pragmatic about it. If for no other reason than to keep my sanity.
Gabbard and Patel are the heavy hitters in this so far with the best access, correct? Patel was confirmed Feb 20, and Gabbard just a couple weeks before that. That's just a bit more than 5 months, not 8 months. How much time do you suppose it even takes for them to get their sea-legs? How many DS cronies do you imagine they had to weed through to build a team around them that they could trust to carry out the work? How many DS cronies are still embedded potentially impeding the work? How much extra does that put on verifying the work that has been done?
On top of that, many of the documents they've been finding are in unredacted form, which means getting the Intel agencies together to agree on redactions. More time. And likely more attempted obfuscation and trickery from them. I bet there's a ton going on behind the scenes. But no, fuck all that, it's OK if they get caught with their dicks hanging out as long as we get our ONE perp walk. Meat to the lions.
All things considered, this is moving faster and deeper than I've ever seen in my lifetime.
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OwnTheRide
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Overpriced, underwhelming. Just like what will come out of the things discussed in this thread.
Bigfoot
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The Democrats get mugshots of their political opponents even if they have to entirely make up false charges and find a corrupt judge(s) to go along with those made-up false charges.
The Republicans don't even need to make shit up. The Democrats are criminals, and there is some low-hanging fruit to be easily picked. But yet, nothing ever happens. I suppose I should be more patient, but then again, maybe not. Maybe I'm just witnessing the swamp doing swamp things. IDK
NY AG Letitia James' very own signature is on multiple fraudulent documents.
I'm not a legal scholar, but that seems like low-hanging fruit to me. And that investigation ended up as a nothing burger, as always. I think I and others have a good reason to be skeptical at this point.
The Republicans don't even need to make shit up. The Democrats are criminals, and there is some low-hanging fruit to be easily picked. But yet, nothing ever happens. I suppose I should be more patient, but then again, maybe not. Maybe I'm just witnessing the swamp doing swamp things. IDK
NY AG Letitia James' very own signature is on multiple fraudulent documents.
I'm not a legal scholar, but that seems like low-hanging fruit to me. And that investigation ended up as a nothing burger, as always. I think I and others have a good reason to be skeptical at this point.
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Bigfoot
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FWIW
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
John Solomon Says, “We’re Working to Release More Information”
First things first. It might not be the popular thing to accept, but it is increasingly clear there is no way to get to any form of accountability or legal exposure for Russiagate or the manufacturing of the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, anywhere near former President Barack Obama. The concentric circles of plausible deniability are just too extensive.Essentially, despite the evidence of the FBI participating in a manufactured investigation predicted on false pretenses, all now supported with hindsight evidence, the fact that key IC officials, namely CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, presented the illusion of credible concern, inoculates President Obama from scrutiny.
As the Supreme Court noted, the President is protected from liability for “official acts” of his office. Yes, we all know these officials knew it was a ruse; however, in 2016 the CIA and FBI were presenting the information to Obama and saying the investigative value was potentially plausible. As such, Obama would have been within his official duty to tell the IC officials to chase down the information (continue investigating it).
Then, the January 5th, 2017, meeting documented by the infamous “by the book” Susan Rice memo, further inoculates President Obama for telling the IC officials to follow careful procedures as they continued investigating whether or not the Trump-Russia collusion was a factual concern. All of these elements lead to various tentacles of plausible deniability. No court is going to find criminal action within the decision-making, regardless of how ridiculous it may look in granular hindsight.
John Solomon Says, "We're Working to Release More Information" - The Last Refuge
First things first. It might not be the popular thing to accept, but it is increasingly clear there is no way to get to any form of accountability or legal exposure for Russiagate or the manufacturing of the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, anywhere near former President Barack Obama. The...
theconservativetreehouse.com
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Bigfoot
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I'm just saying...
This stuff isn't exactly rocket science.
One side is at war, and the other side isn't.
The Democrats are no longer your father's or grandfather's Democrats.
Obama hijacked the Democrat Party, and here we are.
And they are hell bent on...
"Fundamentally transforming the United States of America."
- Barack Hussein Obama
I'm running out of patience. I want to see the traitors to our country held accountable.
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Saltwater60
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I was thinking they were tossed there and would be burned as a normal procedure and if he walked out with them he’d be caught. I don’t k ow what the procedure is but burning documents in the FBI building probably is t normal. Who knows I don’t trust any of them.
I'm sure it's normal, but I'm also sure it's regulated.
An AI query gave this answer:
Government agencies determine which documents can be destroyed by following records disposition schedules approved by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). These schedules outline how long records must be kept and the criteria for their disposal based on their value and relevance to government business.
Document Destruction Guidelines for Government Agencies
Government agencies follow specific regulations to determine which documents can be destroyed. These guidelines ensure that records are managed properly and in compliance with federal laws.Federal Records Act
- The Federal Records Act establishes the framework for records management in federal agencies.
- Agencies must maintain documentation of their policies and transactions.
- Records can only be destroyed according to procedures outlined in Chapter 33 of Title 44, United States Code.
Records Disposition Schedules
- Agencies create records disposition schedules that specify how long documents must be kept.
- These schedules indicate when records can be transferred to a Federal Records Center, destroyed, or preserved permanently.
- The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) issues General Records Schedules (GRS) that provide guidelines for common records across agencies.
Criteria for Destruction
- Records lacking sufficient administrative, legal, or research value can be scheduled for destruction.
- Agencies must notify the Archivist of any unauthorized removal or destruction of records.
- Destruction must comply with NARA-approved schedules and cannot occur if records are subject to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request or litigation hold.
Conclusion
By adhering to these guidelines, government agencies ensure that they manage records responsibly and comply with legal requirements regarding document destruction.44 U.S.C. Chapter 33 Disposal of Records
Disposal of Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 33)
(44 U.S.C. Chapter 33) § 3301. Definition of records § 3302. Regulations covering lists of records for disposal, procedure for disposal, and standards for reproduction § 3303. Lists and schedules of records to be submitted to Archivist by head of each Government agency § 3303a. Examination by...
www.archives.gov
And interestingly, the current National Archivist, head of NARA is Marco Rubio. Seems to me Trump is keeping a tight leash on things this time around. Especially with Rubio wearing 4 hats simultaneously, Secretary of State, National Security Advisor (first person since Henry Kissinger in 1975 to hold both posts) and Acting USAID Administrator and Acting National Archivist.
Rubio was made acting Archivist on Feb 16. Pretty early on in Trump 2.0.
Maybe that being the case, it wasn't safe for them to be disclosed to NARA for approval for destruction, so instead they were stashed hoping they wouldn't be found. Spitballing, but it seems possible.
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stokes
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"By adhering to these guidelines". We're talking about the FBI, we all know how they adhere to any guidelines. For my money, you can take that AI answer to the query and wipe an ass with it.
Well it is an AI answer, so take if for what it is.
The main point is that there is a legal procedure they are supposed to follow. What exact mechanisms exist to ensure it, I don't know, maybe that's what they were trying to end-run. But it's not a confetti free-for-all. And yeah, where the FIB is concerned, legal/illegal means little.