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Well there is a new standard for how the lower courts have to rule on 2A cases now, so it doesn't necessarily have to make its way back up to SCOTUS.

.. and taking more money from us. Surely the new required training will not be free. It will be very costly and the state will get their cut.

The rushed, newly written laws will be so bad and filled with so many errors it will be unreal. Just like the last legislation they passed on guns in the middle of the night. Will the Brinks truck driver be committing a felony when he enters the bank armed for a pickup? You bet he will. These...

Be careful and make sure you do it the right way. NY law makes it illegal to destroy or dispose of a gun. Don't fall into a trap.

This is EXACTLY what it means. And this will not be a simple request. It will be thew law. Violate it and become a felon. No more guns. Ever. Don't think it can happen? All it will take is someone to *suspect* you may be carrying. The police will come and give you a lawful "pat down" for their...

Been busy, tried to read through newer posts.. This stance they are taking that it will be illegal to carry a gun somewhere unless it is posted that it is allowed is so outrageous. NO ONE is going to post that it's ok. Stores will not want to get involved. If there is a shooting, even if done...

I have no intention of doing it, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is that you have these natural rights, but they hinge on wether or not you have a piece of t-shirt covering a certain area or not. Either you can do it or you can't. Hochul has been saying that people get uneasy when they...

I mentioned something similar to this the other day. The whole "may be revoked at any time" thats printed on the back of the permits is pretty much out the window now, isn't it? No longer is it like they did you a favor and gave you a permit. Now its more like they gave you the permit because...

They could. But it would not be a violation of the law. Now it certainly will be. They'll try to make you a felon for stopping by the store for a dozen eggs on your way home. Unlawful weapons possession in a sensitive place or something to that effect will be added to the penal law no doubt.

I'm aware. So the island of Manhattan in whole cannot be a sensitive place, but they can list 900 places on the island that are. Same goes for the rest of the state. Also if you restrict public transit, most people won't be able to carry anyway. How are you going to get to and from your...

For too long the republicans have tried to play nice and try to win the next election. I'm glad they finally took action when they had the power to do so. I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other on abortion, but I do support this decision because it's the right call...

Sure, but SCOTUS could always fix it themselves. They'd rather not. They'd rather tell the lower courts what to do so it's not technically them making the changes. "Ask your mother".

I saw our unelected leader Kathy gleaming on TV, saying that they are allowed to implement restrictions on sensitive places, and that she will personally be defining those places. She had a shit eating grin on her face. For a while I have been telling people "be careful what you wish for"...

Stop teasing me.

Point taken... They are basically saying "we don't want to make these decisions, so here's your instructions - now you do it." Similar to "go ask your mother".

I'd love to see what the charge would be if someone was "open carrying". You're telling me that a right that was just reaffirmed by the Supreme Court is invalidated if I don't have a piece of cotton fabric covering my gun? Not trying to put you on the spot, just saying.

Should be set up to be able to challenge that now too. I can only exercise my rights if I live in a certain area? Can I only practice a certain religion if I live within your approved area? Doesn't work that way. Not anymore. It's not a second class right anymore. This should pave the way...

Ok so how are mag limits legal?

Not clear yet.

30 round mags anyone? Anyone?

Not going down a rabbit hole with ya. Im sticking to the decision that was released today by SCOTUS.

The hype is you dont have to show cause for a permit. Apply and be approved. It's basically must issue unless you're a dangerous person or criminal.

What? You are on here denying a written released court decision. I am referencing 2 courts that upheld 10 rounds is the law and the state police and DA instructions stating the same. I am not going to argue with you. It is not debatable.

NY permits are not NYC permits. Two separate things. Apply for a NYC permit and they will have the obligation to approve it.

Who said I trust the gov? Just because they didn't update the webpage doesn't mean thats actually the law in force. Find me the arrest and you'll have a point. Its meaningless text that I pay no mind to , because I know better.

Yep. Petty game playing. Nothing more.

Its just laziness. If they arrested and prosecuted and imposed a punishment then they'd be in defiance. They just didn't remove the meaningless text.

Incompetence. Lack of knowing what they are doing. State police was told its 10. DA's told its 10. Some states have laws that say you cant eat chicken on Sundays or kiss a girl unless married. It's meaningless, outdated nonsense.

2nd Circuit Court Of Appeals, a federal court, upheld the ruling. 10 it is.

I know it is a good decision because Brain Dead Joe and the c*nt VP are all fired up over it!!

To my knowledge 2 courts have upheld 10 rounds.

That's what the ruling says. You can doubt and question I guess but I'll just go by the decision. If you were gong to ignore the court ruling and just go by your own thoughts and beliefs then why be here reading up on this stuff?

its consistent with 40+ other states licensing. Kav addressed that. It may remain in that regard, but can not go further than that.

Hearing a lawyer explain that going forward the standard will be if a law interferes with an individual right to self defense it can only be upheld if it is consistent with the history, text and tradition and that no more state by state restrictions are allowed. It must be consistent on the...

Correct. Nothing in force yet. They have a grace period essentially. One of the NYC officials already said if you carry you will be arrested. The state will have time to enact new laws.

This ruling said the state does not have the power to interfere with the constitutional right to carry.

If all states must now be "shall-issue" why wouldn't/ shouldn't your permit be recognized by all other states?

I would like to take a moment to thank Donald J. Trump for making today's decision possible. Even that rat Roberts got on board.

NYS won't rule on their own case. It will go to the federal appeals courts, who were just given their orders from their daddy.

So who is going to challenge that 30 round mags aren't in common use now? Must be tens of millions of them floating around out there. The history? Been around for 50 - 60 years. I can't possibly see how these things can still be upheld. Isn't a magazine case still pending somewhere? I would...

I like it. Hope so.

they didn't have to. they we're allowed to use scrutiny. if the case goes before the courts again they will not be. new rules and orders are now in place.

Be hard to argue those are in common use.

It basically explains the court allows time before it goes into force.

Because this ruling came out today.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/23/us/gun-control-senate-supreme-court/the-new-york-gun-law-struck-down-on-thursday-is-still-in-force?smid=url-share

Won't stick. The lower courts have their orders. No scrutiny may be applied.

That goes against the history and tradition of firearm ownership in this country. Also goes against the history of the founders restricting dangerous persons from having arms. How are you going to argue a parking ticket makes you a dangerous person? None of the other states take that stance...

He does have a point. The 2 tier system is over. All 2A cases must be ruled on based solely on the text, history and tradition. No more scrutiny may be applied by the lower courts.