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F this. I hereby call out Will to an IDPA match (or shooting contest of his choice) somewhere equal distance from where we live. I will use a Sig 239 (8+1) and will easily best him. :cowboy2:

I liked this because it was a reply to Will. I have no clue WTF you are talking about.

No sir. He only has a 26 and plans on getting three more. He is a 9mm fan boy though.

You said this: " In a defensive situation, a single action trigger will gain you no benefit from the lighter and smoother break." Are you saying most will not be more accurate with a lighter, smoother trigger? Would one not want the most accuracy possible in the hostage situation you have...

You really are a funny guy at times. Didn't you say shotguns are not a good choice due to a potential hostage situation where a head shot might be needed? So in that case you need accuracy but it's not important with a handgun? I guess you can just hope for the best if a handgun is used. I...

Somehow between cranking it to this pic and being on the forum 20 hours a day will finds time to train like a special forces operator. He can tap rack bang faster than you can pull a trigger again. He can even do it one handed thus negating another second strike advantage.

The one of me slapping sense into Will?

That's your opinion. Every hear of double strike capability? Riding a hammer when holstering (aiwb)? The option to shoot single action (better than any glock trigger)?

They are not the only ones. The old 9mm ABC goes through it like a hot knife through butter.

Not as good as the defenders. No need to account for deflection. I'm also just messing with Will. I don't use the defender.

For level 3? Heck no. You need a lot more than that. I think you are talking about level 3A?

Speed. Edit I never said level 3. Come on now.

[ Good thing they make a decock only model.

Barrier penetration (frying pans) from short barrels and the ability to defeat amour. Get them will. You need to be prepared for think pans.

For you Will: They also defeat soft amour.

Your boy Will.

They don't penetrate nearly as much as hardcast. They are light for caliber and recoil less. They penetrate hard barriers and continue on about the same path. I'm talking about the defenders, not the penetrators.

Same general principal with these. They are saying they act like jhp in gel though but I'm not really seeing that.

Wrong fanboy. The Glock had two failures.

Why would you have a problem with the ones that do?

Ummm no. Does a hardcast penetrate like a FMJ?

I think some of these pistols would do better skipping the element test and going right to the gauntlet. The lube could be about gone after the element tests.

There was also a guy who shot a hog in the shoulder with the penetrator that went through multiple blocks. It went 9 inches in the hog. Gel is not a realistic test medium. The bullet in the video behaves more like a hardcast than a fmj.

Not a bad choice. Will won't like it at all.

10 is 10 in NY. Some also find the recoil of a .45 less snappy than the .40. Some of the 165 .45 are penetrating 16 inches or so. not the powerball of course.

Not always in this dump of a state...

Blah Blah FBI Blah... haha I can't find any gel tests on the old Cor-bon 165+p .45. That's what I have.

It was moving at around 1250 fps. Frying pan killer.

Same in Johnson City when I was there. The gun room was floor to ceiling (high ceiling) with guns that were not selling. And they still kept prices insanely high.

Calls himself a professional and keeps posting .230 and .185...... The .165 Gr .45 would be Wills favorite.

In my opinion a carry gun should be clean. In a holster or a pocket they get lint and crud in them. Will they still function? Most likely yes. But why take the chance? Some of you former military guys are disappointing your drill instructors/sergeants by carrying dirty!

He should sue the city.

Beat me to it! I have one and like it very much. It's held up fine so far (about 500 9mm down the pipe). It also adds very little weight and no length.

The TLR-6 works great on the 26 if anyone really wanted a light on it.

Found the perfect HD gun for W ill.

Notice the pistol that guy has? Get with the program and get a gun with a rail and use it sir.

Yes but irrelevant. I'm just saying what the experts say sir. First the 9mm fail now this......

Most any "expert" will tell you a mounted light is a huge advantage on a HD gun. They also say you should have a handheld as well. You mention the what if's (frying pans, hostage situations ect.) from time to time. What if you injured your light hand? What if you had to use a hand to hold a...

He might not have a light on it and shoot you by accident. Haaaaa

They can be cured. The biggest one in history now carries a 320.

Is the 26 your nightstand gun also?

What the heck are you doing in the bern? I used to work at a bar on the water there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I just bought a police trade in 870 police magnum. It's a newer one and appears to have been shot very little. I like it very much. Has express sites. That or a 590a1 are about the best pump guns in my opinion. You should be good with either of them if you are looking to get a new shotgun.

There are plenty of lighter striker fired pistols (without the grip safety). This is a smart move to target the hammer fired fans. There are not many small light hammer fired 9mm's.

I'm buying one. I wish it was a decock only and no safety though.

Much cheaper than a funeral. Or a lawsuit.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Simo Häyhä would approve due to the iron sights.

With this:

You can do much worse than these old guns: @Willjr75

I have a BG mag I just found that I forgot about. If you want it PM me your address. I don't have the gun anymore.