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Nobody knows. If it would work, then I would want one in 9mm.
BuellSix8
.40 S&W
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I believe the OP is correct but because it's a scary AR, people are staying away from it.
Uzi
.308 Win
Here we go again with this same topic...
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Yes. It is an other.
It should work just like the shockwave.....but look at all the gun owner fear mongering that is going on regarding the shockwave......their heads will explode for sure with an ar15 “other”
It is an other. If the govt/leo pulled their heads outta their ass it would be fine. But the cant/wont.
It is an other, therefor not included in the safe act.
You will get off easily.....IF NEEDED.
Go for it. Many have already done....including me before i was an FFL
Edit to add: if it is an “other” over 26 inches you would not beed a fixed mag
It should work just like the shockwave.....but look at all the gun owner fear mongering that is going on regarding the shockwave......their heads will explode for sure with an ar15 “other”
It is an other. If the govt/leo pulled their heads outta their ass it would be fine. But the cant/wont.
It is an other, therefor not included in the safe act.
You will get off easily.....IF NEEDED.
Go for it. Many have already done....including me before i was an FFL
Edit to add: if it is an “other” over 26 inches you would not beed a fixed mag
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Well you've broken the second rule of my "Do it and don't tell anyone anything" policy.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
So what is the shortest barrel you could use for this "other" and still be over the 26" OAL?
It's just Homer saying "shut up"
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
11.5 with a carbine buffer tube. Shorter if you ran a rifle buffer tube
If a person bought a stripped lower some time ago with the intention of using it for a Rifle (yet never did build it) but the ATF form lists that purchase of the receiver as a "rifle", would that pose a problem for using it to build (for the very first time) an Other?
I don't know what the ATF procedures are for lower manufacturers, but is there any worry of them not listing their receivers with ATF as Other? Is it possible a manufacturer could classify a lower as a rifle receiver and mess this all up from the start?
I don't know what the ATF procedures are for lower manufacturers, but is there any worry of them not listing their receivers with ATF as Other? Is it possible a manufacturer could classify a lower as a rifle receiver and mess this all up from the start?
Once a rifle always a rifle. all of the lowers I have bought were transferred as "other." If yours was transferred as a rifle get another lower to play with.
80% lower and SHHH!
This is what I was thinking, and the reason I brought it up. It may be an FFL screw-up if the stripped lower is transferred as anything other than an Other, but it's ultimately something that would bite the weapon's owner in the ass if it was wrong.
That said, if the manufacturer listed it with ATF as an Other upon it's creation, I wonder how much affect a form error could have. I don't imagine an FFL has the Federal authority to re-classify a firearm receiver. Perhaps the form and it's manner of completion are irrelevant?
If so, the remaining gotcha would be if a manufacturer did not register their stripped lower as an Other. Would anyone do that, and how would we know?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's all nonsense. So hypothetically if you bought a stripped lower and put a stock on it and attached an upper, measured it and decided it was too long for your uses and took the stock off and added a brace, it would be ILLEGAL.
Yet if you put the brace on first, didn't like the brace, took that off, and added a stock, it would be perfectly LEGAL.
How would they ever know?
Yet if you put the brace on first, didn't like the brace, took that off, and added a stock, it would be perfectly LEGAL.
How would they ever know?
Rule #1 of fight club.....
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stuck in ny
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Would using a brace get the barrel shorter while still getting 26 overall?
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stuck in ny
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They couldn't do that, otherwise all the free peoples ar pistols would be federal sbrs.
That's correct - absolute and total nonsense. I don't have to agree with it, but we are bound by their rules (like it or not). And they wouldn't know about it... unless they already know. That's my concern. I don't know if this is even possible, but if the stripped receiver is already "listed" with ATF as a Rifle or Pistol, you're screwed building an Other with it. For the same reason Remington can't take a shotgun receiver and build a Tac-14 from it.
It is all hair-splitting bullshit, but if we're going to push the boundaries, we'd better be experts in the details.
We had a pretty long window discussion about this on the other site, and once here. Here's a couple of threads.
Legal non-NFA short barrel "other" or "firearm"
http://nyfirearms.com/forums/ar-15/62643-safe-act-compliant-ar-15-maybe.html
Legal non-NFA short barrel "other" or "firearm"
http://nyfirearms.com/forums/ar-15/62643-safe-act-compliant-ar-15-maybe.html
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
It is measured from all non movable/removable parts. So if the brace can come off then it is to the end of the buffer.....that is why 11.5 inch barrel........cause it measures to the end of the barrel NOT the flash hider.....unless a perm fh......but then it would atill be 11.5 inch barrel....
.As far as the other goes.....IF you really bought a lower that had NEVER been a rifle then you are good.
IF the FFL just fucked up the paperwork....no big deal. It has to be built to be a rifle....NOT just an FFL paperwork botch job.
But as @dsdmmat said above. If you are not 100% sure it was a virgin lower get another one. They are cheap.
Edit to add: if it is an “other” over 26 inches you would not need a fixed mag
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Please don't crucify me but I have to ask: why pin the mag?
If it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle it doesnt fall under their definition of assault weapon because they state "rifle" in the law. It's not a pistol so the mag doesn't need to be fixed.
Am I missing something?
If it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle it doesnt fall under their definition of assault weapon because they state "rifle" in the law. It's not a pistol so the mag doesn't need to be fixed.
Am I missing something?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You aren't.
wdeister08
.40 S&W
Super relevant.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
You are correct.
No fixed mag is needed. (I edited my previous posts. I missed that in the OP) provided it does not have a stock, has a forward grip and the OAL is 26 or longer. The above makes it an “other”
Well then Hell, I want one!
Exonautic
.308 Win
Off to a good start of taking up pod's policy i see.