NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision

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For the first time I'm actually a bit hopeful. I want to ditch my mag locks, unblock my standard cap mags, and while we're at it I have a couple guns I'd like to sbr. Judge Thomas has set the groundwork to make this possible!
 
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Apeman said:
I don't see the point in getting a new card. They charge you for it. EVERYONE knows about the ruling. There were no laws against carrying on a restricted permit before anyway. The only risk was pissing off the judge if you did something wrong and he could suspend it. The restrictions are just meaningless words printed on it
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The restrictions printed on the permit are not meaningless. I'll give you my example. I've been trying to get the Pennsylvania pp, and they won't give me one because my permit had a restriction that says "target" on it
 
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Egret-II said:
The restrictions printed on the permit are not meaningless. I'll give you my example. I've been trying to get the Pennsylvania pp, and they won't give me one because my permit had a restriction that says "target" on it
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That doesn't mean the restrictions mean anything in NY
 
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Egret-II said:
The restrictions printed on the permit are not meaningless. I'll give you my example. I've been trying to get the Pennsylvania pp, and they won't give me one because my permit had a restriction that says "target" on it
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you went to the wrong PA place ..
 
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What was Hochul saying, 1000 feet around sensitive places?
I bet if you did an overlay map of NYC and every subway entrance, church, school, whatever she chooses, you still won't be able to carry in NYC. The whole fuckin city will be labeled a "sensitive area".
 
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What was Hochul saying, 1000 feet around sensitive places?
I bet if you did an overlay map of NYC and every subway entrance, church, school, whatever she chooses, you still won't be able to carry in NYC. The whole fuckin city will be labeled a "sensitive area".
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Yea fuck her I’m pretty sure that scheme was covered in the ruling. Fuck that vain cunt and her nip and stretched face.
 
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FrankenCub said:
What was Hochul saying, 1000 feet around sensitive places?
I bet if you did an overlay map of NYC and every subway entrance, church, school, whatever she chooses, you still won't be able to carry in NYC. The whole fuckin city will be labeled a "sensitive area".
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I highly doubt that will go through. It was discussed as directly being unconstitutional in the ruling. In addition if it’s declared unconstitutional to show a need to carry then making everywhere in nys/nyc a sensitive place would be unconstitutional as well.
 
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Yea fuck her I’m pretty sure that scheme was covered in the ruling. Fuck that vain cunt and her nip and stretched face.
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They will pass the laws and it will take decades to be ruled on and overturned. ...This is their SOP for the new normal. They did not empty all the jail cells for nothing. Jail you use " Yellow flag laws "to collect your guns and you get out of jail never to see your guns again.

How effective is Maine's 'yellow flag' law?​

The law gives law enforcement officers the ability to seize weapons from someone who's armed and poses a likely threat to themselves or others. It only works in certain cases and the subject has to be evaluated by a medical expert.

“Anytime you can identify an individual that’s maybe made their intentions known about harming themselves or others, making sure that they are not able to obtain a weapon, or that weapons are taken away from them until the threat has subsided is very important," Rocque said.
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How effective is Maine's 'yellow flag' law?

“I definitely don’t think yellow flag laws are enough."
www.wmtw.com www.wmtw.com
 
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F&Q on Ruling now on NYS website Apply for a Firearms License
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So, is New York’s law overturned? Can I carry a concealed weapon without a permit?

  • Nothing in the Supreme Court decision allows anyone to immediately legally carry a concealed firearm in New York State without obtaining the currently-required permits or licenses.
  • This also means you cannot legally carry a concealed firearm outside of your home in New York State if you only have a license to possess a gun in your home.
  • A firearm license is a State-regulated license, and nothing in the Bruen ruling suggests that the State does not have the authority to issue licenses or determine licensing requirements.
  • In New York State, licenses are often issued by county licensing entities. It is possible that this process could change moving forward.
  • Currently, an applicant must decide what type of license they would like to apply for.
  • The most common types of firearm licenses are: (a) Carry concealed (b) Possess on Premises and (c) Possess/Carry During Employment. There is a possibility that these categories might change as a result of the Bruen ruling.
  • At this time, the cost to obtain different licenses varies by county (or in some cases, city), as does the time it takes to obtain a license. At this time, the average processing time for license applications is six (6) months.
 
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livingston said:
So, is New York’s law overturned? Can I carry a concealed weapon without a permit?

  • Nothing in the Supreme Court decision allows anyone to immediately legally carry a concealed firearm in New York State without obtaining the currently-required permits or licenses.
  • This also means you cannot legally carry a concealed firearm outside of your home in New York State if you only have a license to possess a gun in your home.
  • A firearm license is a State-regulated license, and nothing in the Bruen ruling suggests that the State does not have the authority to issue licenses or determine licensing requirements.
  • In New York State, licenses are often issued by county licensing entities. It is possible that this process could change moving forward.
  • Currently, an applicant must decide what type of license they would like to apply for.
  • The most common types of firearm licenses are: (a) Carry concealed (b) Possess on Premises and (c) Possess/Carry During Employment. There is a possibility that these categories might change as a result of the Bruen ruling.
  • At this time, the cost to obtain different licenses varies by county (or in some cases, city), as does the time it takes to obtain a license. At this time, the average processing time for license applications is six (6) months.
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What I’m trying to figure out is if NY goes shall issue. It seems like the only thing they are going to change is removing restrictions. But they are going to retain the requirements of “character references” etc.
 
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livingston said:
So, is New York’s law overturned? Can I carry a concealed weapon without a permit?

  • Nothing in the Supreme Court decision allows anyone to immediately legally carry a concealed firearm in New York State without obtaining the currently-required permits or licenses.
  • This also means you cannot legally carry a concealed firearm outside of your home in New York State if you only have a license to possess a gun in your home.
  • A firearm license is a State-regulated license, and nothing in the Bruen ruling suggests that the State does not have the authority to issue licenses or determine licensing requirements.
  • In New York State, licenses are often issued by county licensing entities. It is possible that this process could change moving forward.
  • Currently, an applicant must decide what type of license they would like to apply for.
  • The most common types of firearm licenses are: (a) Carry concealed (b) Possess on Premises and (c) Possess/Carry During Employment. There is a possibility that these categories might change as a result of the Bruen ruling.
  • At this time, the cost to obtain different licenses varies by county (or in some cases, city), as does the time it takes to obtain a license. At this time, the average processing time for license applications is six (6) months.
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Yup. You know they're looking for ways to fuck us still.

Besides expanding the definition of "sensitive area" they'll take the authority for issuing permits away from the counties and make it top-down at the state level. They'll figure out some other restrictions too I'm sure.
 
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maverick52 said:
F&Q on Ruling now on NYS website Apply for a Firearms License
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What happens next?


  • The U.S. Supreme Court recognized that the State of New York will be able to continue to require licenses for concealed firearms, so long as the license requirements clearly lay out who can carry, where they can (and cannot) carry, and the types of firearms residents might have access to. The State can also restrict the carrying of firearms in sensitive locations and otherwise restrict the manner of carrying firearms.
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Thomas addressed this somewhat in his opinion. But they can no longer just lay a blanket over all of Manhattan for example as a "sensitive place"

Thomas rebuffed New York’s effort to justify its proper-cause requirement as an effort to regulate guns in “sensitive places” – specifically, crowded urban areas, like Manhattan, where people are likely to gather. Thomas agreed that, as a historical matter, there have long been laws restricting guns in places like courthouses and polling places. Moreover, he continued, restrictions that apply to the modern versions of “sensitive places” may also pass constitutional muster. Although Thomas left open exactly what might qualify as a “sensitive place,” he made clear that urban areas do not meet that definition. The state’s “argument would in effect exempt cities from the Second Amendment and would eviscerate the general right to publicly carry arms for self-defense,” Thomas concluded.
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maverick52 said:
What I’m trying to figure out is if NY goes shall issue. It seems like the only thing they are going to change is removing restrictions. But they are going to retain the requirements of “character references” etc.
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It seems like that will be the case. Which is now even MORE arbitrary and capricious than ever. About the only people I can really think of that will affect is those that have recently moved here. The requirement on the references is they must know you for several years etc. If you've just relocated to NY, this will prevent you from applying right away.
 
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livingston said:
So, is New York’s law overturned? Can I carry a concealed weapon without a permit?

  • Nothing in the Supreme Court decision allows anyone to immediately legally carry a concealed firearm in New York State without obtaining the currently-required permits or licenses.
  • This also means you cannot legally carry a concealed firearm outside of your home in New York State if you only have a license to possess a gun in your home.
  • A firearm license is a State-regulated license, and nothing in the Bruen ruling suggests that the State does not have the authority to issue licenses or determine licensing requirements.
  • In New York State, licenses are often issued by county licensing entities. It is possible that this process could change moving forward.
  • Currently, an applicant must decide what type of license they would like to apply for.
  • The most common types of firearm licenses are: (a) Carry concealed (b) Possess on Premises and (c) Possess/Carry During Employment. There is a possibility that these categories might change as a result of the Bruen ruling.
  • At this time, the cost to obtain different licenses varies by county (or in some cases, city), as does the time it takes to obtain a license. At this time, the average processing time for license applications is six (6) months.
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Nothing on the site talks about whether a NYS permit is now valid in NYC. Seems like a pretty important question, no?
 
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What happens if NY pistol permit offices just ignore the ruling? I don't see how NYC could possibly honor it.
 
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RBean said:
Word from the pistol license offices from Suffolk and Nassau County is that the restrictions on your license are void and you now have a full carry permit. After litigating with them for years I'm kind of surprised they have taken a reasonable approach. However, both counties had Republic take overs the last election.
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I'm sure that would be way to damn appropriate, legal, and simple for Westchester.

I can't wait to see the machinations concocted by my liberal progressive anti-American county officials.
 
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BuffNiag said:
What happens if NY pistol permit offices just ignore the ruling? I don't see how NYC could possibly honor it.
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Then a lot of lawyers are going to get very rich.

People will sue for damages.

Once word gets out that you can make an easy $100k by applying for a pistol permit and getting turned down, the entire population of the city will apply...
 
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dwa12479 said:
It seems like that will be the case. Which is now even MORE arbitrary and capricious than ever. About the only people I can really think of that will affect is those that have recently moved here. The requirement on the references is they must know you for several years etc. If you've just relocated to NY, this will prevent you from applying right away.
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But, they have to issue the permit now regardless of what the references say LOL. You can't just move the "good cause" standard to some one else.


So, the entire requirement for references becomes arbitrary. How can you require a reference if you are legally required to ignore what they say ?
 
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