holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Every army does that kind of shit , Jessica Lynch ring a bell? Pat Tillman ?
Things are heating up in the Donbass
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You really are all in, You should go there and help your pal out, free citizenship is still in the offing.
One thing for sure, those brave Ukrainians aren't Russian, and have proved time and again they don't want to be Russians.
Robin
One thing for sure, those brave Ukrainians aren't Russian, and have proved time and again they don't want to be Russians.
Robin
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Its not about Russians or Putin or Ukraine for me, its not about rooting for the home team . Its about right and wrong, addressing lies to the American public , its about The truth. Its about being objective and looking at the world with a critical eye , its not about team USA Rah rah rah. Its about being a ref.
I love my country, took my oath 3 times , but I dont like our crooked globalist government, and I dont like the media which has become a branch of government. And in this case I believe the Russians are correct, doesn't mean I want to live there or think they are better , I just think they are right this time
There are Russians and Ukrainians fighting on both sides of this conflict. For the most part these ethnic groups overlap and intermixed. Russia is proud of joined culture and history. Ukraine is hijacked by a radical minority and hate mongering outsiders who serve their own interests.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All about perspective I guess, Right, wrong, and conflation.
Robin
Robin
aka: Wargames or Ender's Game
spat
.950 JDJ
Why do you think they are right ?
I don't trust our government or the media as far as I could throw them. But based on the few facts that nobody disputes, clearly Russia is the aggressor in this situation.
And before you drag out any "that's not how the Russians see it" argument, why does their viewpoint matter more than anyone else's ?
Bottom line, there was a clearly recognized international border for 25 years.
Then the Russians crossed it and conquered territory from their sovereign neighbor. Then they did it again, and again.
They didn't liberate anything, because if you liberate territory, you don't get to claim it afterwards.
Imagine if the US had decided Iraq was going to be a sovereign US territory like Puerto Rico after the war ? That would be the equivalent.
So, based solely on the decade long streak of Russian imperialism, I'm calling then the bad guys.
No different than going back to John Basilone in WW2.
Same thing
Do you think it's a coincidence that the navy wholeheartedly supported the original top gun and top gun Maverick?
Nope. It's all positive publicity and shaping opinions for recruiting.
I don't think it's wrong or out of line to be sympathetic of the ukranian people and military but also being sympathetic to Russia.
I think the ukranian government and the west are the instigators in this mess. I don't think Putin is a great guy but I think the west likely provoked this conflict.
I have a problem with that. It's not mutually exclusive to think that the west is in the wrong but still being sympathetic to the ukranian people who are the ones doing the suffering.
And I want the US to restore relations with Russia and Putin.
spat
.950 JDJ
I absolutely think the west is behind this.
But at the same time, Putin is the one that ordered the invasion.
He is 100% responsible for every death.
That doesn't mean that the Biden administration isn't *also* significantly responsible.
Responsibility doesn't typically add up to 100%. If 5 guys gang up to murder someone, they aren't each 20% responsible. They're *all* 100% responsible.
I would also like to see relations restored with Russia.
I don't think that's possible with Putin in charge anymore. But he's getting old, that's not too much of a limiting factor.
I think the west needs to clean it's own house of the globalist shitweasels before there can ever be a real relationship with any country that isn't controlled by them.
And I think the globalist shitweasels are a combination of willing Chinese puppets and their naive dupes.
The West is using Ukraine to terrorize Russia and Ukraine is paying the price. Many in Ukraine don't see it as a good deal, including former Zelensky allies. The mood is turning and Ukraine has banned mass gatherings. Imbeciles in Brussels didn't figure that crossing the red lines would open the door for Russia to do the same and not just in Ukraine. Hybrid war is a two-way street. So is playing the game of chicken.
wirehairfan
.40 S&W
This is what I believe also
High ranking member of the Ukrainian government and card carrying Nazi off to a Maidan reunion with John McCain. He was used by the West to overthrow democratically elected government in 2014 and plunged Ukraine into civil war. Assassinated in broad daylight. Most likely an inside job.
In 1991 he founded the far-right Social-National Party of Ukraine together with Oleh Tyahnybok;[11] the party combined radical nationalism and neo-Nazi features (by its name and the "Wolfsangel"-like sign).
en.m.wikipedia.org
From December 2013 to February 2014 Parubiy was a commandant of Euromaidan.[20] He was coordinator of the volunteer security corps for the mainstream protesters.[21] He was then appointed Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine.[8] This appointment was approved by (then) new Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on June 16, 2014.[22]
In 1991 he founded the far-right Social-National Party of Ukraine together with Oleh Tyahnybok;[11] the party combined radical nationalism and neo-Nazi features (by its name and the "Wolfsangel"-like sign).
Andriy Parubiy - Wikipedia
From December 2013 to February 2014 Parubiy was a commandant of Euromaidan.[20] He was coordinator of the volunteer security corps for the mainstream protesters.[21] He was then appointed Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine.[8] This appointment was approved by (then) new Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on June 16, 2014.[22]
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Surveillance footage shows moment Ukrainian far-right MP is shot (VIDEO, PHOTOS)
Andrey Parubiy, who played a key role in the 2014 Maidan coup, was killed in Lviv after being shot eight times by an unknown gunman
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What a guy!!!
www.rt.com
Assassinated Ukrainian MP ‘directly ordered’ shelling of Donbass civilians – ex-diplomat (VIDEO)
Andrey Parubiy helped stoke the “civil war” that eventually led to the Ukraine conflict, Andrey Telizhenko has told RT
Spokeswoman for Ursula playing it down. Holding my breath for retractions and apologies from EU, NATO and the media. Just another Russophobic fabrication. If it wasn't for Flightradar24, that these liars overlooked, this would be recorded as a fact like many other lies.
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livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
President Putin Notes an Underlying Issue Within Ukraine that Impedes Negotiation
Recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin was asked about the status of negotiations with Ukraine. President Putin notes some of the internal political issues within Ukraine must be deconflicted in order for discussions to proceed. Without these issues resolved, discussion is futile.I have repeatedly said that I am ready for these contacts. At the news conference in Beijing, which you mentioned, I said that there is no point in I don’t see much of it. Why? Because it will be agreed with the Ukrainian side is almost impossible on key issues.
Even if there is a political will, What I doubt is that there are legal and technical difficulties that are that any agreements on territories must be confirmed in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine at a referendum. In order to hold a referendum, martial law must be lifted, Martial law is not carried out. If martial law is lifted, it is necessary to immediately hold presidential elections.
After the referendum, if it is held, regardless of the results, it is necessary to obtain a decision of the Constitutional Court. And the constitutional court does not work, because after requests, as I understand it, to the Constitutional Court about the legitimacy of the current government, the court evaded these decisions, and the head of the regime He simply ordered the guards not to let the chairman of the Constitutional Court into the working place.
President Putin Notes an Underlying Issue Within Ukraine that Impedes Negotiation - The Last Refuge
I have often said that Russian dialogue is essentially different from Western dialogue in that Russian speaking is direct and without pretense. This difference is very visible when outlining positions built on pragmatic acceptances. Recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin was asked about the...
theconservativetreehouse.com
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All for what Vlad? What a worthless piece of shit he has become.
Robin
Robin
Using Ukraine for strategic defeat of Russia and gaining control of Russia's vast natural resources is a failed policy. Russia compensates for its loses with return of its historic territories.
Multi-polar world order, without any one country dominance is unstoppable. More and more nations are siding with Putin on this.
Multi-polar world order, without any one country dominance is unstoppable. More and more nations are siding with Putin on this.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
More gobblty goop! Yipeikay!
Robin
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
Nobody wants Russia, any more than they want Gaza.
They just want the shitweasels running both places to stop attacking their neighbors.
After strategic defeat of Russia failed, that became a plan B.
spat
.950 JDJ
What is it with Russians and their persecution complex.
Nobody wants any of that shithole.
If NATO decided to wipe the Russian army in Ukraine out to the last man, they still wouldn't claim any Russian territory.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
They would just set up their puppets , no need for permanent occupation
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Thats not how it works anymore .The idea has always been to weaken and break Russia up into separate states ,under the invisible control of the puppets in the west who obey the UN EU. Its a different kind of empire , one you really cant see, its subtle. Like the Ukraine was to the west . the model was done in Yugoslavia , Its also to the wests advantage that they can eventually apply pressure or contain China from the North
If you look closely enough thats exactly what they are planning to do here in the US
And actually Isreal has every intention of taking and holding Gaza
Washington’s Plan To Break Up Russia – OpEd
Washington’s animus towards Russia has a long history dating back to 1918 when Woodrow Wilson deployed over 7,000 troops to Siberia as part of an Allied effort to roll back the gains of the Bolshevik Revolution. The activities of the American Expeditionary Force, which remained in the country...
www.eurasiareview.com
Here’s how Washington’s geopolitical mastermind Zbigniew Brzezinski summed it up an article in Foreign Affairs:
The “loosely confederated Russia”, that Brzezinski imagines, would be a toothless, dependent nation that could not defend its own borders or sovereignty. It would not be able to prevent more powerful countries from invading, occupying and establishing military bases on its soil. Nor would it be able to unify its disparate people beneath a single banner or pursue a positive “unified” vision for the future of the country. A confederal Russia –fragmented into a myriad of smaller parts– would allow the US to maintain its dominant role in the region without threat of challenge or interference. And that appears to be Brzezinski’s real goal as he pointed out in this passage in his magnum opus The Grand Chessboard.
Washington plans to establish its primacy in the world’s most prosperous and populous region, Eurasia. And–in order to do so– Russia must be decimated and partitioned, its leaders must be toppled and replaced, and its vast resources must be transferred to the iron grip of global transnationals who will use them to perpetuate the flow of wealth from east to west. In other words, Moscow must accept its humble role in the new order as America’s de-facto Gas and Mining Company.
Washington has never really veered from its aim of obliterating the Russian state, in fact, the recently released National Security Strategy (NSS) along with a congressional report titled “Renewed Great Power Competition: Implications for Defense—Issues for Congress”, confirm much of what we have said here, that the US plans to crush any emerging opposition to its expansion into Central Asia in order to become the dominant player in that region.
Here’s an excerpt from the congressional report:
How different is this new iteration of official US foreign policy than the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine that was delivered prior to the War in Iraq. Here it is:
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The end goal of the US and NATO is to divide and pacify the world’s biggest country, the Russian Federation, and to even establish a blanket of perpetual disorder (somalization) over its vast territory or, at a minimum, over a portion of Russia and the post-Soviet space…
The ultimate goal of the US is to prevent any alternatives from emerging in Europe and Eurasia to Euro-Atlantic integration. This is why the destruction of Russia is one of its strategic objectives….
Redrawing Eurasia: Washington’s Maps of a Divided Russia
With the division of the Russian Federation, (the) article claims that any bipolar rivalry between Moscow and Washington would end after World War III. In a stark contradiction, it claims that only when Russia is destroyed will there be a genuine multipolar world, but also implies that the US will be the most dominant global power even though Washington and the European Union will be weakened from the anticipated major war with the Russians.” (“Partitioning Russia after World War 3”, Global Research)
The ultimate goal of the US is to prevent any alternatives from emerging in Europe and Eurasia to Euro-Atlantic integration. This is why the destruction of Russia is one of its strategic objectives….
Redrawing Eurasia: Washington’s Maps of a Divided Russia
With the division of the Russian Federation, (the) article claims that any bipolar rivalry between Moscow and Washington would end after World War III. In a stark contradiction, it claims that only when Russia is destroyed will there be a genuine multipolar world, but also implies that the US will be the most dominant global power even though Washington and the European Union will be weakened from the anticipated major war with the Russians.” (“Partitioning Russia after World War 3”, Global Research)
spat
.950 JDJ
Isreal literally tried to give Gaza back to Egypt with the rest of the territory after the war.Thats not how it works anymore .The idea has always been to weaken and break Russia up into separate states ,under the invisible control of the puppets in the west who obey the UN EU. Its a different kind of empire , one you really cant see, its subtle. Like the Ukraine was to the west . the model was done in Yugoslavia , Its also to the wests advantage that they can eventually apply pressure or contain China from the North
If you look closely enough thats exactly what they are planning to do here in the US
And actually Isreal has every intention of taking and holding Gaza
Washington’s Plan To Break Up Russia – OpEd
Washington’s animus towards Russia has a long history dating back to 1918 when Woodrow Wilson deployed over 7,000 troops to Siberia as part of an Allied effort to roll back the gains of the Bolshevik Revolution. The activities of the American Expeditionary Force, which remained in the country...
Here’s how Washington’s geopolitical mastermind Zbigniew Brzezinski summed it up an article in Foreign Affairs:
The “loosely confederated Russia”, that Brzezinski imagines, would be a toothless, dependent nation that could not defend its own borders or sovereignty. It would not be able to prevent more powerful countries from invading, occupying and establishing military bases on its soil. Nor would it be able to unify its disparate people beneath a single banner or pursue a positive “unified” vision for the future of the country. A confederal Russia –fragmented into a myriad of smaller parts– would allow the US to maintain its dominant role in the region without threat of challenge or interference. And that appears to be Brzezinski’s real goal as he pointed out in this passage in his magnum opus The Grand Chessboard.
Washington plans to establish its primacy in the world’s most prosperous and populous region, Eurasia. And–in order to do so– Russia must be decimated and partitioned, its leaders must be toppled and replaced, and its vast resources must be transferred to the iron grip of global transnationals who will use them to perpetuate the flow of wealth from east to west. In other words, Moscow must accept its humble role in the new order as America’s de-facto Gas and Mining Company.
Washington has never really veered from its aim of obliterating the Russian state, in fact, the recently released National Security Strategy (NSS) along with a congressional report titled “Renewed Great Power Competition: Implications for Defense—Issues for Congress”, confirm much of what we have said here, that the US plans to crush any emerging opposition to its expansion into Central Asia in order to become the dominant player in that region.
Here’s an excerpt from the congressional report:
How different is this new iteration of official US foreign policy than the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine that was delivered prior to the War in Iraq. Here it is:
Egypt accepted the rest but *refused* to take Gaza back.
I believe the phrase "those assholes are your problem now" was used.
Then Egypt proceeded to build a wall that would make the east Germans proud to keep the Palestinians out.
Jerusalem, I can understand. Obviously Isreal wants all of that. Everybody does.
Hell, that's mostly what we fought the crusades over.
But Gaza and the west bank? Nope. Isreal would give either or both of them to any government they could trust to stop the rocket attacks in a heart beat.
They'd probably pay them to take it.
As for Russia, I bet they want them broken up now. That's not a bad idea. Nobody cared what they did when they kept to their borders.
And yes, the world wants well behaved nations. But that's not the same as puppets. Don't fuck around and invade your neighbors, and don't support terrorism in other countries and you can do what you want.
Look at North Korea. Everyone hates them, but as long as they stay on their side of the DMZ they're free to do what they want. We even allowed them to develop nukes and aren't stopping them from building delivery vehicles with anything more strenuous than sanctions.