Robin
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All for what Vlad? What a worthless piece of shit he has become.
Robin
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Things are heating up in the Donbass
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Using Ukraine for strategic defeat of Russia and gaining control of Russia's vast natural resources is a failed policy. Russia compensates for its loses with return of its historic territories.
Multi-polar world order, without any one country dominance is unstoppable. More and more nations are siding with Putin on this.
Multi-polar world order, without any one country dominance is unstoppable. More and more nations are siding with Putin on this.
Robin
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More gobblty goop! Yipeikay!
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spat
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Nobody wants Russia, any more than they want Gaza.
They just want the shitweasels running both places to stop attacking their neighbors.
After strategic defeat of Russia failed, that became a plan B.
spat
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What is it with Russians and their persecution complex.
Nobody wants any of that shithole.
If NATO decided to wipe the Russian army in Ukraine out to the last man, they still wouldn't claim any Russian territory.
holdover
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They would just set up their puppets , no need for permanent occupation
holdover
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Thats not how it works anymore .The idea has always been to weaken and break Russia up into separate states ,under the invisible control of the puppets in the west who obey the UN EU. Its a different kind of empire , one you really cant see, its subtle. Like the Ukraine was to the west . the model was done in Yugoslavia , Its also to the wests advantage that they can eventually apply pressure or contain China from the North
If you look closely enough thats exactly what they are planning to do here in the US
And actually Isreal has every intention of taking and holding Gaza
Washington’s Plan To Break Up Russia – OpEd
Washington’s animus towards Russia has a long history dating back to 1918 when Woodrow Wilson deployed over 7,000 troops to Siberia as part of an Allied effort to roll back the gains of the Bolshevik Revolution. The activities of the American Expeditionary Force, which remained in the country...
www.eurasiareview.com
Here’s how Washington’s geopolitical mastermind Zbigniew Brzezinski summed it up an article in Foreign Affairs:
The “loosely confederated Russia”, that Brzezinski imagines, would be a toothless, dependent nation that could not defend its own borders or sovereignty. It would not be able to prevent more powerful countries from invading, occupying and establishing military bases on its soil. Nor would it be able to unify its disparate people beneath a single banner or pursue a positive “unified” vision for the future of the country. A confederal Russia –fragmented into a myriad of smaller parts– would allow the US to maintain its dominant role in the region without threat of challenge or interference. And that appears to be Brzezinski’s real goal as he pointed out in this passage in his magnum opus The Grand Chessboard.
Washington plans to establish its primacy in the world’s most prosperous and populous region, Eurasia. And–in order to do so– Russia must be decimated and partitioned, its leaders must be toppled and replaced, and its vast resources must be transferred to the iron grip of global transnationals who will use them to perpetuate the flow of wealth from east to west. In other words, Moscow must accept its humble role in the new order as America’s de-facto Gas and Mining Company.
Washington has never really veered from its aim of obliterating the Russian state, in fact, the recently released National Security Strategy (NSS) along with a congressional report titled “Renewed Great Power Competition: Implications for Defense—Issues for Congress”, confirm much of what we have said here, that the US plans to crush any emerging opposition to its expansion into Central Asia in order to become the dominant player in that region.
Here’s an excerpt from the congressional report:
How different is this new iteration of official US foreign policy than the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine that was delivered prior to the War in Iraq. Here it is:
holdover
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The end goal of the US and NATO is to divide and pacify the world’s biggest country, the Russian Federation, and to even establish a blanket of perpetual disorder (somalization) over its vast territory or, at a minimum, over a portion of Russia and the post-Soviet space…
The ultimate goal of the US is to prevent any alternatives from emerging in Europe and Eurasia to Euro-Atlantic integration. This is why the destruction of Russia is one of its strategic objectives….
Redrawing Eurasia: Washington’s Maps of a Divided Russia
With the division of the Russian Federation, (the) article claims that any bipolar rivalry between Moscow and Washington would end after World War III. In a stark contradiction, it claims that only when Russia is destroyed will there be a genuine multipolar world, but also implies that the US will be the most dominant global power even though Washington and the European Union will be weakened from the anticipated major war with the Russians.” (“Partitioning Russia after World War 3”, Global Research)
The ultimate goal of the US is to prevent any alternatives from emerging in Europe and Eurasia to Euro-Atlantic integration. This is why the destruction of Russia is one of its strategic objectives….
Redrawing Eurasia: Washington’s Maps of a Divided Russia
With the division of the Russian Federation, (the) article claims that any bipolar rivalry between Moscow and Washington would end after World War III. In a stark contradiction, it claims that only when Russia is destroyed will there be a genuine multipolar world, but also implies that the US will be the most dominant global power even though Washington and the European Union will be weakened from the anticipated major war with the Russians.” (“Partitioning Russia after World War 3”, Global Research)
spat
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Isreal literally tried to give Gaza back to Egypt with the rest of the territory after the war.Thats not how it works anymore .The idea has always been to weaken and break Russia up into separate states ,under the invisible control of the puppets in the west who obey the UN EU. Its a different kind of empire , one you really cant see, its subtle. Like the Ukraine was to the west . the model was done in Yugoslavia , Its also to the wests advantage that they can eventually apply pressure or contain China from the North
If you look closely enough thats exactly what they are planning to do here in the US
And actually Isreal has every intention of taking and holding Gaza
Washington’s Plan To Break Up Russia – OpEd
Washington’s animus towards Russia has a long history dating back to 1918 when Woodrow Wilson deployed over 7,000 troops to Siberia as part of an Allied effort to roll back the gains of the Bolshevik Revolution. The activities of the American Expeditionary Force, which remained in the country...
Here’s how Washington’s geopolitical mastermind Zbigniew Brzezinski summed it up an article in Foreign Affairs:
The “loosely confederated Russia”, that Brzezinski imagines, would be a toothless, dependent nation that could not defend its own borders or sovereignty. It would not be able to prevent more powerful countries from invading, occupying and establishing military bases on its soil. Nor would it be able to unify its disparate people beneath a single banner or pursue a positive “unified” vision for the future of the country. A confederal Russia –fragmented into a myriad of smaller parts– would allow the US to maintain its dominant role in the region without threat of challenge or interference. And that appears to be Brzezinski’s real goal as he pointed out in this passage in his magnum opus The Grand Chessboard.
Washington plans to establish its primacy in the world’s most prosperous and populous region, Eurasia. And–in order to do so– Russia must be decimated and partitioned, its leaders must be toppled and replaced, and its vast resources must be transferred to the iron grip of global transnationals who will use them to perpetuate the flow of wealth from east to west. In other words, Moscow must accept its humble role in the new order as America’s de-facto Gas and Mining Company.
Washington has never really veered from its aim of obliterating the Russian state, in fact, the recently released National Security Strategy (NSS) along with a congressional report titled “Renewed Great Power Competition: Implications for Defense—Issues for Congress”, confirm much of what we have said here, that the US plans to crush any emerging opposition to its expansion into Central Asia in order to become the dominant player in that region.
Here’s an excerpt from the congressional report:
How different is this new iteration of official US foreign policy than the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine that was delivered prior to the War in Iraq. Here it is:
Egypt accepted the rest but *refused* to take Gaza back.
I believe the phrase "those assholes are your problem now" was used.
Then Egypt proceeded to build a wall that would make the east Germans proud to keep the Palestinians out.
Jerusalem, I can understand. Obviously Isreal wants all of that. Everybody does.
Hell, that's mostly what we fought the crusades over.
But Gaza and the west bank? Nope. Isreal would give either or both of them to any government they could trust to stop the rocket attacks in a heart beat.
They'd probably pay them to take it.
As for Russia, I bet they want them broken up now. That's not a bad idea. Nobody cared what they did when they kept to their borders.
And yes, the world wants well behaved nations. But that's not the same as puppets. Don't fuck around and invade your neighbors, and don't support terrorism in other countries and you can do what you want.
Look at North Korea. Everyone hates them, but as long as they stay on their side of the DMZ they're free to do what they want. We even allowed them to develop nukes and aren't stopping them from building delivery vehicles with anything more strenuous than sanctions.
spat
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We deal with problems.
But we don't claim territory.
Putin was planning on establishing an independent government in Donbass when he was done, right ? And if they voted to re-join Ukraine, he'd let them, right ?
Mexico would disagree and yes we also invade countries that are far away and don't pose any threat to us.
spat
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What Mexican territory have we conquered lately?
We bought most of what we have that used to be Mexico.
Except Texas, but we didn't exactly conquer that.
Basically, imperialism is a no go since WWII.
Very few nations have tried it at all.
Saddam tried it, and got his ass kicked by the entire planet.
Putin should have gotten the same treatment the first time he tried to grab one of his neighbors.
Would have saved millions of lives.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
They are going to stop the rocket attacks from Gaza because there will be nobody left there to launch them ,
Israel announces plan to take over Gaza City in another escalation of the war
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If that's what it takes.
If your neighbors keep putting bullets through the wall of your house, how many of your kids need to be killed before you stop playing nice ?
holdover
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August 13, 2025
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is on a "historic and spiritual mission" and feels "very" attached to the vision of so-called ‘Greater Israel’, which includes territories earmarked for the Palestinian state and potentially parts of present-day Jordan and Egypt.
Netanyahu and Israeli officials have made clear their intention of annexing and taking over all of what remains of historic Palestine. Netanyahu has previously shown maps at the UN and in presentations that show the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza entirely absorbed into Israel.
He has also reiterated his intention to carry out a plan to totally take over Gaza and forcibly expel Palestinians from the Strip. His cabinet’s Gaza City invasion proposal is seemingly aimed at moving into the final stages of that plan, with Netanyahu mobilizing his government behind it.
trt.global
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is on a "historic and spiritual mission" and feels "very" attached to the vision of so-called ‘Greater Israel’, which includes territories earmarked for the Palestinian state and potentially parts of present-day Jordan and Egypt.
Netanyahu and Israeli officials have made clear their intention of annexing and taking over all of what remains of historic Palestine. Netanyahu has previously shown maps at the UN and in presentations that show the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza entirely absorbed into Israel.
He has also reiterated his intention to carry out a plan to totally take over Gaza and forcibly expel Palestinians from the Strip. His cabinet’s Gaza City invasion proposal is seemingly aimed at moving into the final stages of that plan, with Netanyahu mobilizing his government behind it.
TRT Global - Netanyahu vows to pursue 'historic and spiritual mission' for 'Greater Israel' plan
Israeli premier reaffirms attachment to expansionist ideology as genocide in Gaza intensifies.
trt.global
spat
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Now show it with the real map he held up.August 13, 2025
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is on a "historic and spiritual mission" and feels "very" attached to the vision of so-called ‘Greater Israel’, which includes territories earmarked for the Palestinian state and potentially parts of present-day Jordan and Egypt.
Netanyahu and Israeli officials have made clear their intention of annexing and taking over all of what remains of historic Palestine. Netanyahu has previously shown maps at the UN and in presentations that show the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza entirely absorbed into Israel.
He has also reiterated his intention to carry out a plan to totally take over Gaza and forcibly expel Palestinians from the Strip. His cabinet’s Gaza City invasion proposal is seemingly aimed at moving into the final stages of that plan, with Netanyahu mobilizing his government behind it.
TRT Global - Netanyahu vows to pursue 'historic and spiritual mission' for 'Greater Israel' plan
Israeli premier reaffirms attachment to expansionist ideology as genocide in Gaza intensifies.
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With Egypt still Egypt, Jordan still Jordan, and Saudi Arabia still Saudi Arabia.
Only thing missing is Palestine. And since there has *never* been a nation of Palestine there ever, I don't think you can even call it missing.
Imagine if the Sinaloa cartel declared that mexican state independent, and spend 50 years lobbing rockets into Mexico. Then Mexico decided enough was enough and just killed them all.
That's what this is like.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That is the real map. read up on greater Isreal .
en.wikipedia.org
IDF soldier with greater Isreal patch, take a look at the map.
Proposed inclusion of areas beyond the borders of the Mandate
Some on the Israeli far right advocate for a “Greater Israel” that includes territories outside the historical Palestinian Mandate. Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has suggested that Israel is destined to expand to include Jordan, and even beyond, to parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and even Iraq. On Sunday, March 19, 2023, Smotrich gave a speech in Paris while standing at a podium that featured a map of Israel including Jordan and the occupied West Bank. During the speech he claimed that Palestinian people were “an invention.”[34] In a documentary film by Arte in 2024, Smotrich said “it is written that the future of Jerusalem is to expand to Damascus.”[35][36] This view has support in some parts of Israeli society. Israel’s incursions into Jordan and Syria has intensified international concerns that some actors in Israel are pursuing expansion into other countries.[37]
Greater Israel - Wikipedia
IDF soldier with greater Isreal patch, take a look at the map.
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spat
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So, some fringe groups shitposting.That is the real map. read up on greater Isreal .
Proposed inclusion of areas beyond the borders of the Mandate
Some on the Israeli far right advocate for a “Greater Israel” that includes territories outside the historical Palestinian Mandate. Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has suggested that Israel is destined to expand to include Jordan, and even beyond, to parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and even Iraq. On Sunday, March 19, 2023, Smotrich gave a speech in Paris while standing at a podium that featured a map of Israel including Jordan and the occupied West Bank. During the speech he claimed that Palestinian people were “an invention.”[34] In a documentary film by Arte in 2024, Smotrich said “it is written that the future of Jerusalem is to expand to Damascus.”[35][36] This view has support in some parts of Israeli society. Israel’s incursions into Jordan and Syria has intensified international concerns that some actors in Israel are pursuing expansion into other countries.[37]
Greater Israel - Wikipedia
IDF soldier with greater Isreal patch, take a look at the map.
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The difference is the groups in Palestine that post maps without any Isreal at all, are the ones running the place.
If you read the "greater Isreal" wiki that *you* linked, it's quite clear that it *doesn't* include any areas that are currently claimed by Jordan *or* Egypt.
holdover
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Fringe groups like Benjamin Netanyahu addressing the UN about greater Isreal. You think this some kind of bullshit story cooked up by hamas? Take a hard fucking look at that map .
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Anyone following the story of a bunch of Russian drones crossing into Poland, and Poland/nato shooting some down?
This has potential for escalations. Worth keeping an eye on. The tension is increasing not decreasing
This has potential for escalations. Worth keeping an eye on. The tension is increasing not decreasing
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Heard about it, but doesn't make a lot of sense,my radar is on.
Anything is possible. Polish military did fight in this conflict and participated in Kursk invasion, I doubt Russia will just let this go. All missiles that attack Russian cities go through Poland. Russia will deal with this sooner or later.
NATO's war against Russia, using Ukraine to hide direct involvement, has to stop.
NATO's war against Russia, using Ukraine to hide direct involvement, has to stop.
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spat
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How exactly would Russia "deal with this" ?
I can't imagine a response that wouldn't end very badly for them.
Plausible deniability works both ways.