Things are heating up in the Donbass
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holdover
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Most likely he was passing on information , and the Russians did not find it as amusing as his songs
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Robin
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Robin
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Unlocking and exposing that whole disgusting fiasco in Ukraine would be key to putting a shit ton of corrupt politicians in jail.
Apart from abandoning the good people of that recognized nation state.
Robin
Apart from abandoning the good people of that recognized nation state.
Robin
It started with Western leaders and Western media romancing Gorbachev, taking him for a ride and stabbing him in the back by orchestrating the break up of his country. This led to about a dozen conflicts and wars on post-Soviet territory with and without Russia.
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livingston
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Zelenskyy Rejects Trump’s Demand for $500 Billion in Rare Earth Minerals from Ukraine in Exchange for Continued Military Aid
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has shot down President Donald Trump’s request for $500 billion in rare earth minerals in exchange for continued military aid.
“We are going to have all this money in there, and I say: ‘I want it back.’ And I told them that I want the equivalent, like $500 billion worth of rare earth,” Trump said in the interview. “And they have essentially agreed to do that, so at least we don’t feel stupid.”
Zelenskyy Rejects Trump's Demand for $500 Billion in Rare Earth Minerals from Ukraine in Exchange for Continued Military Aid | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald
In a bold move, President Zelenskyy firmly denies Trump's controversial demand for rare earth minerals, highlighting the complexities of international relations amid ongoing military support discussions.
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livingston
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.”President Zelenskyy represents the interests of the European Union, multinational corporations, various elements of NATO memberships, the World Economic Forum, the CIA division within the U.S. State Dept., western banks and a confab of various western intelligence operations. After that, he represents the interests of Ukrainians. This is why he will not permit elections.
The looming confrontation between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, along with all the aforementioned interests Zelenskyy supports, is going to be something very interesting.
The interview is almost an hour. I am embedding the transcript below; if you are short of time, you can read and review at your leisure.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia" About Peace in Ukraine - The Last Refuge
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.” President Zelenskyy represents...
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Zelenskyy-Meet-the-Press.jpg
holdover
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Well you dont really have to, And on that note, Zelensky signs his own death warrant. If zelensky is in the way for a peace agreement between US and Russia , they will draw straws to see who gets to whack him.
In my opinion, Putin is dragging it out buying time for a spring summer Offensive which should drive the nail in the coffin for Ukraine
holdover
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Trump is being played here, The Russians have no intention of making a deal unless its on the most favorable grounds to them and meeting their goals. The British are already talking about sending in peace keeping troops which is what The Russians didnt want to begin with So thats not going to help . The Russians will stall, agree, reject, agree stall reject until they are on the Dnipro river. Unless they are willing to launch nukes on Russia and start WW3 , the Russsians are going to dictate how it goes when it goes period.
The French Germans and the Ukrainians have all failed , and the Brits will be next to fail if they start getting froggy , the Russians have 700,000 troops in Ukraine and 1 million in reserve in anticipation of a NATO conflict. Just call it a day.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Sure, try to double cross Trump. I'm sure that will go well.
Brawny71
.357 mag
Played? I doubt it. But it is the beginning of getting to the right place. What real attempts have been done since sitting still and allowing it to take place? “Don’t” worked really well I think. Knowing what one side expects and is willing to do is 50%. I understand Zalinski’s anxiety as well, but I’m guessing the both sitting across from each other right now may be a bad move. Step one, Boss to boss discussion. Step two, the other Boss to Boss discussion. There in begins a dialog. The bodies are stacked already. THAT isn’t working. Noone is making progress. In fact, Russia is having to borrow bodies. A lot of other folks are giving weapons they have trouble replacing. Only a couple small players and one big one benefits from that. The loss of accountability of money and weapons is huge right now. I’m all for coming to a resolution.
spat
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The bottom line is that the US is completely in charge here.
We will decide how this ends.
If we cut off Zelensky, then Putin can roll over him sooner or later.
If we decide Putin is done, then he's done.
If we decide to roll him back to the 2014 borders, then we'll roll up the Russian war machine like a cheap rug.
Trump is a smart businessman, he is talking to both sides to determine what is the optimal course of action *for us*.
holdover
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no double cross, just dragged on negotiations
holdover
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lol, what are you drinking, We arnt going to fight WW3 for Ukraine. Its not even an option right now.
Koz
6.5 Creedmoor
Yet another Biden/Harris money pit, shit show with no easy fix.
Ukrainian military is on its last leg. Russia paid a heavy price and will not be cheated out of its victory.
Still, if the end result is a peace deal it's a political victory for Trump whenever it happens. He can claim he had stopped the biggest and most costly war in Europe since WWII.
One would be hard pressed to find a more deserving candidate for Nobel Peace Prize.
Still, if the end result is a peace deal it's a political victory for Trump whenever it happens. He can claim he had stopped the biggest and most costly war in Europe since WWII.
One would be hard pressed to find a more deserving candidate for Nobel Peace Prize.
On the agenda is going to be US/Russia relations. Ukraine is only a part of it. Even if the agreement on Ukraine is not reached, there are other issues that can be resolved.
spat
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And you don't think Trump has seen that game 1000 times before ?
He'll recognize it before they've left the room for the first time.
I doubt he's going to be pleased being jerked around like that.
spat
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LoL @ WWIII.
Who the fuck is going to fight on Russia's side ?
This would look more like Desert Storm than a world war. It would be a complete one sided ass whooping.
Brawny71
.357 mag
In charge; able to direct. Having a strong, proactive group is a plus now. Non-existent got us here. As I said, real discussion is the beginning.
I do not think so. Trump and Putin are pals, they see things very much the same as each other.
I am almost positive all this has been discussed between the two of them. They will both come out of these peace deals looking strong and bold.
Something that so many do not understand about the Russian people, I have said this before.... The Russians are so very different than most other peoples. This heavy price, they are okay with the cost.
Robin
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Well, for the over half million that left Russia and the millions that have avoided conscription and can't be found, there was an issue with the 'cost'. They aren't any different in their humanity than world over.
Robin
Robin
holdover
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It would look like a global nuclear war . First off Russia has more nukes than we do. They can devastate the entire country withen hours. #2 We are a air and maritime power, not a major land power. While it may be true we have a better trained army , Its difficult to replace the losses of highly trained experienced people . #3 the logistical problems are enormous. feeding an army would require 1-2 million meals a day , just for example. #4 The Chinese are not going to be real keen on the Idea of Nato on their border either. They would be forced to send troops to help stop the invaders, #5 nobody in thier right mind would start WW3 over Ukraine. its ridiculous on its face, Its not even an option , nobody is going to do it
holdover
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Trump doesn't have much to bargain with , and all Putin has to do is say were are considering it and need time for a counter offer .